Dean Richard Lister is a mixed martial artist who fought in the UFC, he is also a former King of the Cage Middleweight Champion. He is wiedly known in Jiu Jitsu community. He has also won in ADCC (World Submission Wrestling Championship) in 2011. He holds a 4th degree black belt in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. He is an old friend of Jocko Willink (who is also an ex – SEAL), with whom he trains and in this episode of Jocko Podcast 137 talks about Benefits of BJJ, Grips in grappling, Self Defense in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, MMA, New Techniques (Leg Locks), choosing the right gym for you, and about his training now and in the past. They point out differences of training in Gi and NoGi and what should you train.